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dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.23 15:26:00 -
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I'm a big fan of Egosoft's X space-flight games, and it goes without saying that the best way to enjoy exploring space is with a first-person (or cockpit) view.
But for some reason Eve Online does't allow this. Instead we have to zoom-out of the third-person view of our ship in an attempt to immerse ourselves in the scenery. But this doesn't help, as the engine noises get quieter and you lose the visual-connection with your own ship, meaning you can't fly your ship immersively.
I'm not interested in story reasons, like ships don't have cockpits, camera drones and the like, I'm interested in the aesthetic and technical reasons why an option to offer a first-person view hasn't been implemented.
It's a deal-breaker for me. I won't be extending my trial because of it. |

dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.23 18:07:00 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:When I started playing I was dismayed by the lack of a first-person view as well, but you'll soon come to appreciate how important the third-person view really is and realize how disadvantaged you'd be with a first-person view. I'd give the game a chance with at least one month of regular subscription before you give up on it. Everything becomes more immersive the more you start to understand about the space portion of the game.
From the 4 replies yours is the only one not focussing on the story reasons.
I can understand your reasoning, but I don't actually want to get that involved in the systems. What I wanted from Eve is what I get from the X games, namely flying around in awe at the space scenery and gorgeous ships. I particularly enjoy slow-poetic flying in and around huge stations, bit like how 2001: A Space Odyssey feels when you watch those slow-revolving sequences.
I do also like the odd epic combat, and again when not in first-person view the immersion is lacking real feeling. Eve becomes more of a RTS game rather than a space-flight sim. Maybe it was never intended as a space-flight game...but for some reason I always thought it was one.
I'm gonna stick with X3 for my space fix, and try out The Old Republic for online fun (I've played KOTOR and that was brilliant, so maybe the online game is similar).
Good luck to you anyway, hope you continue to enjoy the experience.
Lady Naween wrote:door.. that way... we wont miss you
You might have to question why you offered such a defensive answer. Dismissing new members so arrogantly is very poor forum etiquette. Maybe a break would do you some good and help get your perspective back.
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dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.23 21:33:00 -
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And again a group of replies which focus on story reasons. I said I wasn't interested, please keep this reasoning out of the discussion. The story-angle isn't a good enough reason anyway, as it would be very simple to introduce the idea of a camera drone at the front of the craft.
What I am interested in are the technical, functional and aesthetic reasoning behind the decision to not even include the first-person view as an optional camera mode.
J'Poll wrote: Hmz. I agree. If this already really annoys you, then EVE might not be the game for you.
As for why cockpit won't work, get into a real fleet fight and your limited FoV will heavily limit you.
Egosoft's games have proven that technically and functionally, even in hectic combat, the first-person works just fine.
So perhaps it was just an aesthetic decision on the part of the developers? They want the game to be played and experienced in a specific way and the first-person view just doesn't match up with their vision.
If that's what it is, then of course I can understand it. I suppose after many years of being online if there was a significant clamour for first-person then they would have offered the option by now...but it seems I'm likely in a small minority.
Keno Skir wrote: MECHANICS - You cant see anything from a cockpit.
Of course you can see out of the cockpit...what strange reasoning you have. You can have a window showing a wide 180-¦ view if you wanted. It would be immersive-bliss. When you do want to see more, you can switch back to external camera drones.
Keno Skir wrote: Kinda like asking why they use lightsabers instead of samurai swords in SWTOR, but not being interested in storyline related replies..
Oh dear, haha! No...it's nothing like the difference between swords and lightsabers, as these things aren't views...they're weapons. And again you're focussing on the story anyway.
Have you never played flight games before? The best ones are generally first-person view, or at least give you that option (see also driving games).
@++berfans, there's no need to get all defensive. It's just a thread about the non-story reasons why there's no first-person option...that's all.
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dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.23 22:04:00 -
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Cass Lie wrote:EVE is simply not a first person twitch space sim, period. The server engine ticks at 1 Hz, ie. any kind of twitch combat is nigh impossible at the moment. Lot of us like it that way, the combat is much more tactical plus it enables large fleet fights with up to 2k pilots involved. Something that would be very hard to pull off were it first person. Plus you would not even be able to appreciate the full glory of such an engagement.
Thanks, this is the kind of reply I was hoping to get. It explains why the view is possible in the X games then, as all but one craft are computer-controlled. I also understand your tactical reasoning.
Still, I would play this game if it had first-person views just so I could spend a couple of hours a week flying around and drinking in the scenery, doing some mining and the odd one-on-one dogfight. I probably wouldn't get that involved in the main stuff. Each to their own and all that...
...it was my fault anyway for assuming Eve was a space-flight sim...now I know better 
I wish you all much fun in your Eve games! If we ever do get that first-person view, then I would be very interested. The graphics, atmosphere, use of audio and understanding of the scale of space are all expertly done. |

dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.23 22:20:00 -
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J'Poll wrote: 1.) I came to EVE from the X-series. I love the X-series but EVE is nothing like it other then both are situated in space.
2.) Your post about the hectic battles in the X-series are just minor PvE engagement in EVE. Battles in the X-series can't be compared to PvP battles in EVE.
If in EVE you had a cockpit / bridge FoV and the FC would say to shoot pilot "x", all players in the fleet first have to turn their ships around to find that pilot. If you are talking about 200 vs 200 battles that's a lot of ships to look at and then find that one pilot you need to shoot. Current system (3rd person view + overview) works great in battles.
3.) I suggest you (as I did) approach EVE without the X-series mindset. I love space games, so tried EVE out. But I did it with a clear mind so I would see the great things the game had to offer me (and never regretted I did it).
Also a good post...I understand the reasoning much better now. Cheers. |

dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.23 22:26:00 -
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J'Poll wrote: What I find odd. Only after 90 minutes you already decided that you don't like EVE. I would suggest to at least play out your trial account. Give it 14 days to learn a bit about EVE and how it works. Maybe at the end of those 2 weeks you might have changed your mind.
How did you know it was 90 minutes? Does it say it in my profile?
You're quite right that I've barely gave the game a chance...all I did was leave the dock and flew towards ships, stations, belts and warped & jumped to various systems...docked at another station but it was all done off-screen. In X the docking, as you know, is done manually, you experience it all.
Basically I was really in the mood for some cosmic blissful spaceflight and wrongly assumed I would get it from Eve. After 90 minutes I realised that without my preferred first-person view I wasn't going to find what I was looking for. No doubt Eve offers something else, but I'm just not looking for it.
Kimimaro Yoga wrote: Basically a front-first-person view would be useless or actively detrimental in a large % of Eve combat situations. The places where it would contribute to combat would be relatively small. CCP deliberately doesn't want Eve to be run like a fighter sim. So no cockpit view, sorry.
Fair point well made. |

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Posted - 2012.09.24 10:14:00 -
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Great reply, Matt Grav...that pretty much technically explains it. And good feedback from most of the other replies too.
My musing has been answered. We can still continue the thread to perhaps discuss the future feasibility of allowing a first-person view, but otherwise I think we've covered all bases the topic has to offer.
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dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.24 13:20:00 -
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ISD Athechu wrote:Cleaned up some posts that weren't on topic.
I don't remember any off-topic posts. And the ones about "there's the door" and ones going on about the story still remain.
ISD Athechu wrote: Also if you want a feature to be added or looked at and discussed please take it to the Features & Ideas section.
Can trial members now post elsewhere? |

dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.24 14:01:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote: OP seems to be the sort who would walk onto a hockey pitch and demand to know why he can't use a baseball bat.
That is even worse than the swords & lightsabers analogy.
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dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.24 14:03:00 -
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Tialano Utrigas wrote: Picture FPV being allowed on frigate class vessles (or fighters...thinking outside the box), then imagine the full scale of immersion you would get while pointing and orbiting a capital ship (which would look HUGE in FPV) with your tackle squad, while your fleet is bombarding it from afar.
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dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.24 14:39:00 -
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ISD Athechu wrote: I'm not here to censor (unless I have to due to rules violation) i'm here to keep order and things on topic. If you feel a post should be looked at please go ahead and report it and we will take a look at it.
No, I think the thread's been quite good, even with the odd silly comment. Maybe the posts you deleted were ones I didn't see anyway.
ISD Athechu wrote: Not to my knowledge but if the topic goes that way I will have to put it in the proper section for that type of discussion. Since Developers do read the forums and I know a few do read the F&I section best just make it easy to find the "EVE Should have XYZ" threads instead of hunting all over the forums for them.
Feel free to move it if you think it's a good idea. I won't be able to post myself, but I don't have anything left to add, anyway. |

dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.25 23:05:00 -
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Gun Gal wrote:Eve will not have first person flying.
Deal with it.
Your the kind that will cry at everything
Why is there always some primitive troll who tries to derail an otherwise decent thread?
This thread had finished naturally, with everything sensible being said. You should question your worth to the community here if all you do is post random nonsense.
My advice: read threads first before posting. If you must target the OP, then argue your point coherently. Remember this is a public board. Dozens of people have read your post now and will likely not take you seriously any more.
Remember that you are the maker of your own reputation...and thus, your destiny. Don't make it worse than it needs to be, for that would just be stupid. |

dholl trip
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:23:00 -
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Casirio wrote:enable the advanced camera settings, press cntrl + F9. you will get your blissful flying. or you can learn eve and pvp and have a lot more fun. but to each their own, I'm not judging.
Of course I tried that, but I'm not flying in first-person, I'm just moving an external camera in first-person. There's a significant difference. The physics are off for a start.
Like I wrote earlier: I believe all of you when you say Eve is an excellent experience. But I thought it was a different kind of space game. It's just not what I'm looking for.
That doesn't mean that if I played it again for a few hours it wouldn't seduce me still. One related example was the first time I played Mirror's Edge. I didn't like it, and couldn't get past the idea that the game would be much better in third-person view, like the Tomb Raider games I was familiar with. I put the game down, dismissed it, and only played it again when I won an Ebay auction for Gé¼1 for the PS3 version. The second time I played it I got seduced by the first-person platforming perspective...it won me over so much that I think I may even prefer it to the Tomb Raider platforming perspective.
So there's a precedent to the idea that I could grow to enjoy the Eve perspecive more than the X perspective.
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